Dating old bottles by their tops and bases - Find a man in my area! VINTAGE SHALIMAR EXTRAIT IN OTHER SHAPES & DESIGNS: There is a blog called Guerlain Perfumes, unaffiliated with the company, which has the most exhaustive list of every bottle ever put out by Guerlain for any fragrance or body product since the company’s birth. Thank you . It’s not a logical inference from a simple, passing change to the measurements listed on a label or box. If the 1960s one is bigger in ml size and darker in juice, it may be just as good FOR YOUR PERSONAL WAY of using fragrances as the 1950s. I opened two of the four bottles. That’s it. Thank you for the kind words on the guide, but also for alerting us to the situation with the Raiders page and its subsequent return. It’s not dense and not syrupy as molasses like my mother’s (the juice in mine is very liquidy in concentration), but the colour… my word! The stamp is there, with 44 printed as part of the stamp, but I can see a very faint 20 in the white area. I have no doubt that they exist, but they’re not common enough for me to have seen them. Dear Andre, you and Elena are fantastic, a truly invaluable resource to the entire perfume community. And they rarely had much information about the bottle beyond, perhaps, its measurement in inches. John Terry is a 40 year old British Footballer. I don’t know if modern Shalimar put you off or if you weren’t a Shalimar lover before for other reasons, but has the vintage version given you an appreciation for Shalimar? Is the number one destination for online dating with more relationships than any other dating or personals site. Photo: my own. The price was fair and the photo of the presentation box showed an indentation that — proportionally speaking and relative to the rest of the box — would seem to suggest that the bottle was a large one. Avoid all stubby, squat, chunky bottle stems if I wanted to avoid 1980s era bottles. Not significantly different types of vintage Shalimar. brown-and-white presentation boxes for these other bottle styles — the ones that showed animals, men, and the reaping of the harvest — were just as old as the bat bottle’s purple velvet boxes, and, in some cases, had the “Marly horse” logo as well. Well, the font is much finer on my two Marly bottles that date to the 1960s/1950s and the 1960s. My point is, if you’ve never tried a really old version but you love vintage scents generally, then you’re in for a treat with your bottle. http://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-guerlain-shalimar-Perfume-1960/122580979942?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649. [UPDATE: it turns out this bottle actually is a 1960 Avion bottle! Second, I’m so glad that I could help, and a big hurrah for you finding a good bottle. I collect vintage fragrances. It seems to be a 1950s to 1957/1957 stamp according to your guide since it lacks the word “Belgique,” has Roman/Latin numerals, and “magasins de Paris” in the text. It was produced in Paris. (I’ll talk about those other bottles in a moment.) How to get a good man. That is unquestionably an Avion bottle. In contrast, when I plug in the same search today, the combined total is a mere 37, and a number of those listings are for completely empty bottles or for the Parfum de Toilette. For instance: A long term old eau de toilette may wind up being more extravagant, more profound, smokier, and additionally more ambered than a long term old vintage eau de parfum. Initially, I was certain that was a 1970s bottle, based solely on the look of the box, its colour, and the simple “Guerlain” stamp inside its lid. Still, what put me off a little when first seeing the eBay listing was the box. Be that as it may, there is no resource like it if you want to know the design, history, size, weight, centimeter or inch height, manufacturer, and general, overall dates of production for a bottle. I appreciate all the hard work you put into these posts. Ahhhh I have realized a years-long dream. The purple presentation box is only one of two layers of packaging; the outer zebra” or zig-zag, black and white boxes were not produced until 1967, and were in use through the early part of the 1980s. As. She is famous for Kiss and Tell Conquest of John Terry. Then I fell in love with Shalimar Light, and while cruising ebay, found a 7.5ml mini bottle of Shalimar parfum de toilette and snagged it for the unbelievable bargain price of $10, with free shipping, thinking that perhaps a vintage version might be more wearable for me. These bottles were made by both Baccarat & Pochet et du Courval, look for their logos on the base, an entwined HP or the Baccarat symbol. I haven’t been near a computer to reply before now, so I hope you’ll forgive my late reply. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Guerlain-Paris-SHALIMAR-Parfum-Extrait-Baccarat-Bottle-1-2-fl-oz/172708384357?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649 The cellophane on the outer boxes didn't seem fully adhered. In contrast, the velvet on newer, more recent boxes is a really bright, bold, imperial purple. The letters are often very difficult to make out unless you look extremely close and in the light. If it was, then fragrance dates to the latter’s 1967-1983 time frame, not before. And I’m still not sure of the latter! In the 1970s, both the look of the stamp and the method that was used engrave the letters changed. I have the feeling that how you reacted to your first sniff of the Shalimar is a little how I felt upon sniffing my mother’s bottle. The latter's daughter, Jade, redesigned the Shalimar bottle only last year. So one has to go through everything to figure out if the bottle was made for something like vegetale body oil, Shalimar, or an entirely different product. Jan 31, 2015 - Guerlain No.90 (Shalimar). Your writing inspired me to undertake my own rigorous e-Bay treasure hunt. Photo & bottle: my own. The Pochet ones seem, comparatively speaking, to be more common, and I think I may have come across a few of their “bat” bottles, usually from things that are estimated to be 1960s or 1970s in age. Thank you for bringing this point or possibility to my attention. (Exhibit A: a very, very old bottle of vintage Fracas that has so little left — at least by my worried, fretting standards — that I haven’t applied it in the last 10 years. For a beautiful iconic bottle belt is. During the 1940s, Shalimar parfum also occasionally came in the squat Jicky quadrilobe bottle. No amimalic note detected. As you suggested, I “trained my eye” and then looked through all results of “Shalimar” and then, in a separate search, “vintage Guerlain.” (Yes, that gave a HUGE amount of results, but I didn’t want to miss anything that may have not been labeled “vintage” or [less likely] not denoted as Shalimar. Think of it like a supermarket’s produce number for bananas versus oranges. This practice lasted until the 1970s. Below is another image of a vintage Saint Gobain bottle, circa 1981-1986, that I found on eBay. Each was established in baccarat, chanel perfume bottles: bottle. THANKS SO MUCH! Guerlain Eau de Toilette Shalimar Blue White Bottle Case - Refillable Held 3 Oz Bottle 1968 VintageInBloom. Register and search over 40 million singles: voice recordings. In my searching, I made a few potentially useful observations and (as always) came up with some new questions. The Shalimar is a later eau de toilette. The stopper was not inside the bottle itself but was inside a tiny cardboard box which was included in the presentation box. I’m glad you enjoyed the posts. In addition, both have weird symbol curlicues to one side, one of which clearly looks like a “2” or “Z,” but I don’t know what that means, if it’s the remnant of some Baccarat stamp, or something else. This version by Saint-Gobin Desjonqu è res circulated from March 1994 until August 1995 in only 750.000 bottles for both scents. The chances don’t come around often. https://www.etsy.com/your/shops/starletfume/tools/listings/query:Shalima,state:sold_out,sort:sold_out_date,view:table/253847654. But it’s certainly nothing that would be apparent to the naked eye. The Marly Horse bottles specifically. However, on bottom it also has what appears to be a hand-scratched word “DUMMY” (I’ve seen on others posted elsewhere), but would like to know if that’s authentic or simply someone trying to pass it off as factice? (I hope the following links work so that you’ll have a better idea of what I’m talking about. Vintage Shalimar parfum with detailed wording on the label and accompanied 1983-1999 black/gold box. If you focus too much on the look of the presentation box or whether it has a horse on it, you may miss out on a truly fantastic bottle of fragrance. The colour of the juice in the photos is a lovely shade of light mahogany. The tiny bottle of Emeraude is a proper vintage version maybe around 1930-1940s. Lighted a level of energy that a couple of scents — vintage or something else — have coordinated over the most recent 20 years. It dates to the 1990s. Louise Brooks, Rita Hayworth, Brigitte Bardot and Bianca Jagger all famously wore Shalimar in its earlier incarnations. The stamp on all the “bat” bottles that I own or have seen on eBay look nothing like that. Dating Shalimar bottles. I’ve read that some of the bottles were made in Mexico, but people say that their scent is no different from the ones made elsewhere. bottle from the 1920s! Made in 1925 for Shalimar. And she said her eyes literally rolled back in their head at my Avion bottle extrait. ), From what I’ve seen, the “parapluie” may be the second most widely available vintage design for the extrait concentration but, just remember, it can date into the 1970s and in some cases, even into the 1980s in slightly tweaked versions, according to the Perfume Shrine. 7090” on a box, that is not the batch code! You should also consider whether or not it’s accompanied by the “Zebra” /zig-zag outer case. It's one of the few classic Guerlain bottles that has contained just one fragrance, as Guerlain had a habit of reusing its bottles for different perfumes until Jean-Paul Guerlain took over as nose. In fact, I’ve seen eBay listings for Marly Horse Shalimar bottles that explicitly state that the bottle is from the 1970s. The Guerlain Perfumes blog says that its official name is the “Flacon Amphora” or “Flacon Amphore,” and that it was made from 1955 to 1982 by both Baccarat and Pochet et du Courval. Wow!! What I had heard about the “Avion” Bottles : They were made with a cork stopper plus an extra glass stopper, because the changes of air pressure in the plain would cause the glass stopper to crack or “glue” un-loosable into the neck of the bottle. Thank you, my dear, and I agree that it’s an extremely daunting amount of information indeed. Dearest Kafka, I’m a little bit emotional right now, because I just received a 1 oz, nearly full bottle of pre-1957 Shalimar. From what I’ve read, I have the sense that they were intended as a travel case or for the purse. (Click on photo to expand in new window in full size.). Pingback: Hermès 24 Faubourg - Part II: Modern EDP & How To Recognize The Vintage - Kafkaesque. Personally, I find all the rest of the CR or Pochet stuff to be confusing and deeply unhelpful. LOL. (In contrast, old Emeraude just knocks me out. In fact, from Shalimar’s debut release in 1925, I think all the bottles made by Baccarat or Cristal Romesnil used acid to etch the company’s signature on the base. You know what the kicker is? (A basic article on vintage Shalimar by The Perfume Magazine says the same thing.). Born John George Terry on 7th December, 1980 in Barking, London, England, UK, he is famous for Chelsea F.C. But at least the photo below shows you what it looks like in the late 1960s: ]. Stacie. In addition, the design suddenly looks more elaborate, and the location of the horse stamp has dropped closer towards the middle of the lid. Below are photos of the first two types of parapluie/umbrella packaging: Vintage Shalimar “Parapluie” or “Umbrella” bottles and packaging. The number 5 underneath that you take it is a dating ends right at the majority of a vintage shalimar and verifying authenticity. My suggestion to you is to go after a really old bottle of the EDT as well. In person, it is such a dark mahogany, walnut brown that it looks almost black from a distance. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Guerlain-Shalimar-Perfume-Bottle-2OZ-Cristal-Nancy1920s-Open-50-full/332295352073?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649. As Laura stated up above, trying to pass off the real thing as a dummy fake would be the reverse of the usual process. Both of those factors would influence my eventual decision. Part of Guerlain's mystique may come from the grand story about their most cherished (vintage, pre LVMH) fragrances- Jicky 1889, Mitsouko 1919, Shalimar 1926 and Chamade 1969- that they were all created by Guerlain men for the women they loved. That’s a tough one. A third design called the “umbrella” or “parapluie” bottle was added to the Shalimar stable in 1952 and lasted until the late 1970s. jennifer, Hello! I’ve never read anything about the top/bottom thing anywhere. Photo: my own. I know she’ll appreciate it as much as I do. There are also differences in the font and size of the words “Shalimar,” in the size of the label, and in the thickness of the black trim around it. However, there are some basic guidelines to make things much simpler. Shalimar was created in 1925. Brenda. 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Sometimes the stopper is gilded.The bottle was first made by Pochet et du Courval. On a slightly cautious note: If I am not mistaken—I certainly may be, I hope so—but “Raiders of the Lost Scent” seem to have deactivated the info on Guerlain? [UPDATE cont’d: according to the Raiders‘s article, it turns out that the sticker shown in the second photo above, the one with the word “Belgique” in it, probably dates from the 1930s to late 1940s. Plus, the highly sought after “Avion” bottle came with a cork stopper, so it’s not like that was a bad thing by itself. [UPDATE 11/10/16: Raiders of the Lost Scent now has a Guide to Guerlain Stickers, so you should also pay attention to the stamps or stickers in the photos below because the stickers, their wording, and their colour are major indicators of age, as the captions will explain: Sticker from the 1930s to late 1940s. 5 out of 5 stars (7,592) 7,592 reviews $ 25.00. You can’t see anything on its base, and you can’t even figure out something as basic as its size, whether you’re looking at it in person or via an eBay photo. The bottle on the left dates from 1981-1986, and has a chunky, squat, fat stem. They really clarify the description given by The Perfume Magazine and show how exactly this “avion” format differs from the Marly Horse purple packaging: The box was slightly different in the fact that instead of laying down inside the box, the bottle would stand up snugly inside a small plinth, in which the box lid would slip over making a cover. Vintage Shalimar in different concentrations. In fact, the best deals came from sellers who didn’t really know much about their bottles, who weren’t frequent vintage sellers, or who had rather shoddy looking photos. This must have happened within the last 24 hours, as I looked up some things yesterday night (Continental time). Ha, Option C! It’s absolutely encyclopedic in its knowledge and focus, but I confess that I initially found it to be more confusing than parts of the Internal Revenue Code (and I find the U.S. tax code to be quite indecipherable). They were the same thing in terms of concentration. She was blown away by the fact that one of my 1950s EDTs was more complex, smoother, more nuancd, stronger, richer, more powerful, and with greater sillage than her 2015 extrait. Vintage Moon Drops, Crepe de Chine, Mimzy, Replique, Coty L' Origin, Miss Dior, Jovan Musk for Women - my search knew no bounds (which may be why I ended up with 2 full bottles of Shania which I would gladly send you if you are a fan). Stick to the summaries or synopses at the end of the post as an initial starting-off point because they would probably be easier. Then, later, if you want, you can delve into the detailed sections for any further information that may pop up as a factor in your searches. I hope she won’t mind me using a few of them, and will accept my thanks. I encourage you to read her post in full, but I’ll share one photo that I found to be particularly effective in demonstrating the differences between two seemingly similar 15 ml extrait bottles, both bearing a simple “Shalimar” label. (On a separate but related matter, I have to say, I also disagree with the Perfume Shrine’s claim that the Marly Horse logo was on the actual parfum bottle itself as well as the box. Photo: my own. The sprays go into my bedside cabinet, which is a 15-drawer unit in solid teak. I am in awe and thank you so much. “Catalog” number — that’s the word. Wow, it’s not there. The bottle came in several different sizes and was also used for other scents such as Chamade, Vol de Nuit, Chant D'Aromes, L'Heure Bleu, and Mitsouko , many of these date to the late 1960s. It’s from 1970s and is probably a Pochet bottle. I found another sale that is definitely an Avion bottle (based on the text of the small cardboard box) and it, too, has the white “wrist-band.”: Once again, you can see the fat, stubby, squat stem and “fat feet,” but look also at the bottom of its glass base in the photo to the right: Vintage Shalimar extrait, 1 oz bottle by Saint Gobain, circa 1981-1986. Bottle … Shalimar Wimble is a British Other. note update: the one which turns out to be an Avion Presentation bottle from actual 1960]: Guerlain and “Made in France” stamps on base of my 4.2 oz large vintage Shalimar Baccarat bottle whose date may be from the 1960s. The photo, though, shows a sort of squiggly line (which I had thought was just another scratch in the glass) which might actually be the leftover remainder of a Baccarat symbol etched into the glass. Thank you in advance, I picked up a bottle of Shalimar for free at a garage sale, but the blue umbrella top is made of plastic. My cork-stopper bottle which has one turns out to actually be a 1960 Avion Presentation bottle, so I can’t use that to conclude the stamps were in usage in the 1970s. Guerlain 1967 copyright. In all cases, if you look at the size of the horse in relation to the box, you can see it’s not extremely large in older boxes. Saint Gobain des Jonqueres seemed to take over the production of the “bat” bottles from 1981 to 1986. Saint Gobain bottle from 1981-1986. Here is evidence those bottles exist. I will definitely keep an eye out for a bottle as a result. I’ll keep an eye out from now on to see what I notice with the pre-1967 borders. There are some fragrances so iconic, so beloved, and so immense in their impact that they require little explanation, and Shalimar may be at the very top of that list. “7.623” could be an internal company product code for the Umbrella design, but that is simply a guess. I finally got near a computer and did a manual Google search for that listing by number and saw the photo. My kudos to the both of you. The first four photos are what I believe to be a one ounce size and the other three photos is of the bottle … Source: PicClick.com. Enjoy your rest and try not to turn into a cockroach. The analysis will focus almost entirely on the parfum, but I’ll briefly mention the bottle designs for the other concentrations that were discussed in Part II. This fragrance was just that powerful and rich. I recently won this auction: and Ask mothers to spot a dating antique lovers. Two months ago, when I first started looking for really old Shalimar, there were about 125 listings each week for different concentrations of “vintage Shalimar perfume 1 oz.” That was a broad umbrella search which also brought up bottles listed as “1/4 oz,” “1/2 oz”, etc. We’re getting to the end. Photo: eBay seller, “quickcashitin1”. anywhere from 1962 to 1978, and quite possibly beyond. Wonderful details and additional information on the Avion bottles, Martina! Each was established in baccarat, chanel perfume bottles: bottle. Happy hunting, my dear. & England Captain. For example, you can find it inside the boxes for vintage Mitsouko parfum in its heart-shaped stopper design, L’Heure Bleue parfum, the Shalimar rosebud bottles, the amphora ones, and other designs so long as the fragrance was a pure parfum and was issued during a particular time frame. Take, for example, the bottom of that huge, corked Baccarat bottle that I bought for such a bargain and whose date, either 1960s or 1970s, I cannot figure out [Ed. Plus, we know that, from 1978 to roughly 1981, Pochet manufactured bottles in different heights and sizes until Saint Gobain took over. I have never tried any Seriously Vintage Shalimar, though, and maybe that makes the difference… but probably not, given my usual tastes. It was used from the 1950s up to the late 1970s. These stickers have text in monochrome colouring (just blue or green, for example), Roman/Latin numerals in different locations, and the text ends with the phrase, “magasins de PARIS.”. I took a chance and bought it because it was a reasonable price considering the bottle is half full. B.) Bottling chance ain't easy to dating of shalimar parfum initial is one of coco chanel perfume bottles? They were typically the ones who had stumbled across a bottle by accident, who never sold perfume, or who had been left the bottle by a relative. My mother’s 1950s Marly is practically a dusky rose in hue. Shalimar War bottle, 1938-1945. The box inside looks like white or cream cardboard. Thanks ,Anna . I also have been on a quest for a few years. Regards, There was also some mythical thing people talked about called The Marly Horse. Its liquid is dark; its gleaming glass is most definitely heavy Baccarat crystal; and the acid-etching on the bottom of the bottle’s base has become extremely faint with age and time. I dislike spray application intensely ... this smells more like Obsession without the skank, than Shalimar. The companies used different methods to put a stamp on the base of the bottle, words like “Guerlain” and/or “Made in France.” Cristal Romesnil and Baccarat used acid-etching, while the Pochet bottles had an intertwined HP mark. pre-1968) bottles simply by looking at the “dolphin” label on the front. So, it’s the stickers that are really telling, regardless of the presentation of the bottle, its stopper, or its outer trappings/box. You had us all worried there for a while. So, if you’ve lasted this long and also read everything, Bravo! Each one is indeed like a love story, a masterpiece. The seller contacted me recently because she found the glass stopper and an accompanying cardboard box. I become so reluctant to use it up that I often end up not wearing it at all. I assume this is fairly new bottle. I passed on a second vintage bottle that was listed with the regular, modern ones because it was too small and it was a similar sort of situation except, this time, the seller said in the description that she’d gotten the bottle from her mother in the 1980s. It should cut through all the flotsam and dreck. I dislike spray application intensely ... this smells more like Obsession without the skank, than Shalimar. The last set off such a frenzy and fixation in me throughout the most recent couple of months. You definitely rekindled a fire for vintage-Shalimar in me. So chances are it’s fading =). Louise Brooks, Rita Hayworth, Brigitte Bardot and Bianca Jagger all famously wore Shalimar in its earlier incarnations. So, all I can tell you is that the box indicates the perfume is from somewhere between 1967 and the early 1980s. Think about that price for a minute, and compare it to my $102 Baccarat bottle in a 125 ml or 4.2 oz size. In two instances, those changes correspond to when Saint Gobain was in charge of the bottles during the 1980s. Or what if there are no box photos, no packaging information, and zero information on the age of the bottle? I absolutely love your latest guide, and think it’s beyond helpful. I’ve seen it time and time again for vintage fragrances from all sorts of brands; there will be times when there are more than a 100 entries, then times when there are like 10. It’s one of those things where the learning curve is initially steep but then, suddenly, it becomes much easier and one can (almost) whip through the many eBay listings to single out the bottles which fit your precise parameters. Hi, "1920" could be dated to the end of 1992 (regarding "Platinum Egoiste", it's one of the first bottles produced, and sold in 1993, the official year of launch), or 2001, or 2009. xox. So, if any eBay seller says that their bottle is 5.91 inches, you know that it might be as old as 1962 or, at the very least, somewhere in the vicinity of 1962-1978+. There also appears to be a small sticker on the back of the bottle that reads “No. Sorry for the scare. Guy here. Laura/Lady May, thank you so much for jumping in and for being so helpful. (The Pochet et du Courval ones had an “HP” stamp on their base, but I don’t know if acid was used. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Guerlain-Shalimar-Sealed-Pure-Perfume-1960-1967-Marley-Horse-Purple-Box-1-Ounce-/142440071735?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=Cq31AgndTmS8XBrkeQSUBrzmwyY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc. but I cannot wait to find the time to bury myself in ebay listings. I can’t wait to hear more about your experience, what parts you loved the most, and how all of it compares to other fragrances that you may have tried in the past. The perfume was sealed with a cork covered in a thin plastic seal. I’ll also provide you with links to various guides or articles that go through the minutiae and specifics of the many types of Shalimar bottles over the decades for you to read on your own time. Again, bravo! After looking at numerous bottles from various decades for both Shalimar and other Guerlain fragrances, I have a few thoughts and impressions but, in all candour, I don’t know how accurate they are. That means a lot coming from you. Be that as it may, it seems to be quite popular from what I’ve read. Photo: Basenotes member, nmdragonfire. Compare the look and wording of those stickers with the one below which dates from 1967 to 1976. I think some people may have been put off by the fact that there was no glass stopper, only a cork. When you receive your bottle, you may want to see what camera close-ups reveal. Designed by Raymond Guerlain. Photo from ebay seller thepaintedpast. Trying to date vintage Shalimar and navigating eBay to find a bottle of the version that you prefer might seem, at first glance, to be an exhausting, frustrating, and complicated ordeal. Thank you! To sum them up: A few brief words on some dates that you may encounter often on eBay. The process is much like playing Sherlock Holmes except, in this case, the tiny clues often don’t yield definitive answers. In addition to the Goutte splash bottle, the eau de toilette also came in an atomiser bottle of various shapes, like, for example, the one shown in the photo to the left. Vintage Shalimar Eau de Toilette, 8 oz 1976 bottle on the right. It’s in astonishingly mint condition and shows the stamp with a degree of clarity that I’ve never encountered elsewhere, so it should give you a good idea of the general look: Base of a L’Heure Bleue vintage bottle by Cristal Romesnil with their special stamp to the left. To my eye, none of them look like heavy crystal in the way that the Baccarat does. When I began doing my research to find out why my mother’s 1950s bottle was so stupendous and earth-shattering in its richness (see Part I), the first thing I learnt is that vintage Shalimar parfum is not some uniform beast and that age really makes a difference. Forgive me if I missed this. Ah well, too late now! They didn’t know what they had and, often, didn’t seem to care much about it. Since the time I originally listed it, I have learned so much more about Guerlain Vintage. Photo: my own. I’m sorry, I wish I knew the answer to your questions. No matter when exactly my bottle dates to — the 1960s or the 1970s — it’s still older than this over-priced offering. Do you (or does anyone else reading) know if the white, seemingly elastic, “wrist-band-like” wrap found around the stopper pictured in the link above was unique to the Avion presentation?
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